diff --git a/docs/sphinx/reference-scenes.rst b/docs/sphinx/reference-scenes.rst
index 8f13c4354..dc958a230 100644
--- a/docs/sphinx/reference-scenes.rst
+++ b/docs/sphinx/reference-scenes.rst
@@ -478,7 +478,8 @@ Scene Item Group Functions
 
 .. function:: obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_add_group(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name)
 
-   Adds a group with the specified name.
+   Adds a group with the specified name.  Does not signal the scene with
+   the *refresh* signal.
 
    :param scene: Scene to add the group to
    :param name:  Name of the group
@@ -486,10 +487,23 @@ Scene Item Group Functions
 
 ---------------------
 
+.. function:: obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_add_group2(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name)
+
+   Adds a group with the specified name.
+
+   :param scene:  Scene to add the group to
+   :param name:   Name of the group
+   :param signal: If *true*, signals the scene with the *refresh*
+                  signal
+   :return:       The new group's scene item
+
+---------------------
+
 .. function:: obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_insert_group(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name, obs_sceneitem_t **items, size_t count)
 
    Creates a group out of the specified scene items.  The group will be
-   inserted at the top scene item.
+   inserted at the top scene item.  Does not signal the scene with the
+   *refresh* signal.
 
    :param scene: Scene to add the group to
    :param name:  Name of the group
@@ -499,6 +513,21 @@ Scene Item Group Functions
 
 ---------------------
 
+.. function:: obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_insert_group2(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name, obs_sceneitem_t **items, size_t count, bool signal)
+
+   Creates a group out of the specified scene items.  The group will be
+   inserted at the top scene item.  Does not signal a refresh.
+
+   :param scene: Scene to add the group to
+   :param name:  Name of the group
+   :param items: Array of scene items to put in a group
+   :param count: Number of scene items in the array
+   :param signal: If *true*, signals the scene with the *refresh*
+                  signal
+   :return:      The new group's scene item
+
+---------------------
+
 .. function:: obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_get_group(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name)
 
    Finds a group within a scene by its name.
@@ -532,9 +561,21 @@ Scene Item Group Functions
 
 .. function:: void obs_sceneitem_group_ungroup(obs_sceneitem_t *group)
 
+   Ungroups the specified group.  Scene items within the group will be
+   placed where the group was.  Does not signal the scene with the
+   *refresh* signal.
+
+---------------------
+
+.. function:: void obs_sceneitem_group_ungroup2(obs_sceneitem_t *group, bool signal)
+
    Ungroups the specified group.  Scene items within the group will be
    placed where the group was.
 
+   :param group: Group scene item
+   :param signal: If *true*, signals the scene with the *refresh*
+                  signal
+
 ---------------------
 
 .. function:: void obs_sceneitem_group_add_item(obs_sceneitem_t *group, obs_sceneitem_t *item)
diff --git a/libobs/obs-scene.c b/libobs/obs-scene.c
index 3c059d81a..6385ffe04 100644
--- a/libobs/obs-scene.c
+++ b/libobs/obs-scene.c
@@ -2571,6 +2571,12 @@ obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_add_group(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name)
 	return obs_scene_insert_group(scene, name, NULL, 0);
 }
 
+obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_add_group2(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name,
+				      bool signal)
+{
+	return obs_scene_insert_group2(scene, name, NULL, 0, signal);
+}
+
 obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_insert_group(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name,
 					obs_sceneitem_t **items, size_t count)
 {
@@ -2628,6 +2634,17 @@ obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_insert_group(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name,
 	return item;
 }
 
+obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_insert_group2(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name,
+					 obs_sceneitem_t **items, size_t count,
+					 bool signal)
+{
+	obs_sceneitem_t *item =
+		obs_scene_insert_group(scene, name, items, count);
+	if (signal && item)
+		signal_refresh(scene);
+	return item;
+}
+
 obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_get_group(obs_scene_t *scene, const char *name)
 {
 	if (!scene || !name || !*name) {
@@ -2708,6 +2725,14 @@ void obs_sceneitem_group_ungroup(obs_sceneitem_t *item)
 	obs_sceneitem_release(item);
 }
 
+void obs_sceneitem_group_ungroup2(obs_sceneitem_t *item, bool signal)
+{
+	obs_scene_t *scene = item->parent;
+	obs_sceneitem_group_ungroup(item);
+	if (signal)
+		signal_refresh(scene);
+}
+
 void obs_sceneitem_group_add_item(obs_sceneitem_t *group, obs_sceneitem_t *item)
 {
 	if (!group || !group->is_group || !item)
diff --git a/libobs/obs.h b/libobs/obs.h
index c6990734b..bb42da681 100644
--- a/libobs/obs.h
+++ b/libobs/obs.h
@@ -1598,6 +1598,13 @@ EXPORT obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_insert_group(obs_scene_t *scene,
 					       obs_sceneitem_t **items,
 					       size_t count);
 
+EXPORT obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_add_group2(obs_scene_t *scene,
+					     const char *name, bool signal);
+EXPORT obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_insert_group2(obs_scene_t *scene,
+						const char *name,
+						obs_sceneitem_t **items,
+						size_t count, bool signal);
+
 EXPORT obs_sceneitem_t *obs_scene_get_group(obs_scene_t *scene,
 					    const char *name);
 
@@ -1606,6 +1613,7 @@ EXPORT bool obs_sceneitem_is_group(obs_sceneitem_t *item);
 EXPORT obs_scene_t *obs_sceneitem_group_get_scene(const obs_sceneitem_t *group);
 
 EXPORT void obs_sceneitem_group_ungroup(obs_sceneitem_t *group);
+EXPORT void obs_sceneitem_group_ungroup2(obs_sceneitem_t *group, bool signal);
 
 EXPORT void obs_sceneitem_group_add_item(obs_sceneitem_t *group,
 					 obs_sceneitem_t *item);